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Blue eyes?
July 23, 2012
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Olga
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Thanks Louise. I know I dream of the day they might unearth some portrait of Jane and George (wishful thinking I know)

July 23, 2012
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Olga said

Thanks Louise. I know I dream of the day they might unearth some portrait of Jane and George (wishful thinking I know)

Part of me would love to see a portrait of George, but then again I have an image of him in my mind and I’m not sure whether I want that illusion to be shattered.Wink

July 25, 2012
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True, I’m a bit shattered about this re-identification of the KOA portrait. It’s funny how attached you can get to an image of someone.

July 25, 2012
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Olga said

True, I’m a bit shattered about this re-identification of the KOA portrait. It’s funny how attached you can get to an image of someone.

I’m not sure about the re-identification of her to be honest. She looks as Katherine does in all other portraits of her as a Spanish princess.

"It is however but Justice, & my Duty to declre that this amiable Woman was entirely innocent of the Crimes with which she was accused, of which her Beauty, her Elegance, & her Sprightliness were sufficient proofs..." Jane Austen.

July 25, 2012
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I agree, Ellie. I don’t think it could be Mary, at least not based on other portraits of her. I think it’s more likely to be KOA

July 26, 2012
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I’m not sure either guys, I guess it’s just the notion it could be someone else is a bit strange to me. I don’t think it looks like Mary Tudor but then that could be an emotional feeling because that’s what I have always thought Katherine looked like.

July 26, 2012
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"It is however but Justice, & my Duty to declre that this amiable Woman was entirely innocent of the Crimes with which she was accused, of which her Beauty, her Elegance, & her Sprightliness were sufficient proofs..." Jane Austen.

July 26, 2012
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Thanks Ellie.
When you see those first four portraits together, it certainly looks like they are all the same person. I give up on portraits. They are forever changing who they are.
I meant to ask you Ellie… Did they come to the conclusion that the portrait below was of Katherine Howard or not?

http://madameguillotine.files……164832.jpg

July 26, 2012
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Sharon said

Thanks Ellie.
When you see those first four portraits together, it certainly looks like they are all the same person. I give up on portraits. They are forever changing who they are.
I meant to ask you Ellie… Did they come to the conclusion that the portrait below was of Katherine Howard or not?

http://madameguillotine.files……164832.jpg

I don’t think so, I haven’t been able to find any other information about it. The age is defiantly correct though, and her necklace is similar to the pieces designed by Hans Holbein for the Queen.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi…..ounger.jpg

"It is however but Justice, & my Duty to declre that this amiable Woman was entirely innocent of the Crimes with which she was accused, of which her Beauty, her Elegance, & her Sprightliness were sufficient proofs..." Jane Austen.

July 26, 2012
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Were those one designed specifically for Katherine Howard, Ellie? I thought they were designed for members of the court in general
BTW, I’m with you Sharon – identifications in Tudor portraits just make me want to despair at times Yell

July 27, 2012
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I have never seen the fifth portrait of Katherine, nor that one on Catherine Howard. That one’s amazing, any articles on it guys?

July 31, 2012
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If brown is dominant, then there’s alot of little illegitimacy in my family. My sister’s eyes are blue (as are mine) and her husband’s are brown. Her three children have blue eyes. My daughter’s eyes are blue and her husband’s brown. Her two children have blue eyes. I was taught in genetics that blue was the dominant color and it is possible for a blue eyed child to be born if there is history of blue eyes in the extended family. Do not dismay Louise.
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I hate you lot! I’ve just done an eye colour/paternity test on the internet. My parents both have brown eyes and mine are blue…….it seems I’m illegitimate……thanks!Confused

July 31, 2012
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Some people are mixing up phenotype( how genes are expresssed) with genotype( which genes are present). Eye colour is affected by several genes but the simplest way to describe eye colour inheritance is this one

B= brown eyes
b= blue eyes

A person with brown eyes can be either BB or Bb, a person with blue eyes can only be bb. So if 2 brown eyed people have children then depending on which genes they posses the results are

for parents who are BB all children will be brown-eyed
if one parent is BB and the other is Bb all children will be brown eyed
if both parents as Bb the children have a 1 in 4 chance of being BB, 2 in 4 chance of being Bb and a 1 in 4 chance of being bb. This gives 3;1 chance of brown eyes being expressed.

For each child the chances are 1;4 of being blue-eyed but since each is a seperate and random event on how the genes are spilt up during meiosis means that multiple children in a family can be blue-eyed even though the parents are brown-eyed.

It's always bunnies.

August 1, 2012
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Thank you Anyanka, that was explained quite well.

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Anyanka said

Some people are mixing up phenotype( how genes are expresssed) with genotype( which genes are present). Eye colour is affected by several genes but the simplest way to describe eye colour inheritance is this one

B= brown eyes
b= blue eyes

A person with brown eyes can be either BB or Bb, a person with blue eyes can only be bb. So if 2 brown eyed people have children then depending on which genes they posses the results are

for parents who are BB all children will be brown-eyed
if one parent is BB and the other is Bb all children will be brown eyed
if both parents as Bb the children have a 1 in 4 chance of being BB, 2 in 4 chance of being Bb and a 1 in 4 chance of being bb. This gives 3;1 chance of brown eyes being expressed.

For each child the chances are 1;4 of being blue-eyed but since each is a seperate and random event on how the genes are spilt up during meiosis means that multiple children in a family can be blue-eyed even though the parents are brown-eyed.

August 1, 2012
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Anyanka said

Some people are mixing up phenotype( how genes are expresssed) with genotype( which genes are present). Eye colour is affected by several genes but the simplest way to describe eye colour inheritance is this one

B= brown eyes
b= blue eyes

A person with brown eyes can be either BB or Bb, a person with blue eyes can only be bb. So if 2 brown eyed people have children then depending on which genes they posses the results are

for parents who are BB all children will be brown-eyed
if one parent is BB and the other is Bb all children will be brown eyed
if both parents as Bb the children have a 1 in 4 chance of being BB, 2 in 4 chance of being Bb and a 1 in 4 chance of being bb. This gives 3;1 chance of brown eyes being expressed.

For each child the chances are 1;4 of being blue-eyed but since each is a seperate and random event on how the genes are spilt up during meiosis means that multiple children in a family can be blue-eyed even though the parents are brown-eyed.

And green eyes? Laugh

August 3, 2012
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green eyes are very lucky or else wear contact lenses….

It's always bunnies.

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