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Anne's hair
April 19, 2012
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Elliemarianna
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Sharon said

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Elliemarianna, Elizabeth was known to have curly hair which was achieved with the use of hot tongs, this was however (to my knowledge) a fashion of the late Tudor period. Anne, as far as I am aware, had the fashion of the time which was to have her hair long and straight. During this period a ladies’ hair would usually be hidden by a headdress or hood, but the long straight hair could be allowed to be viewed freely on special occasions.

“While at the French court her costume was a cap of velvet, trimmed in points, a little gold bell hanging from each point; a vest of the same material with silver stars, a jacket of watered silk with large hanging sleeves that almost concealed her hands, and a skirt to match. Her feet were encased in blue velvet slippers, with a strap across the instep, fastened with a diamond star. Her hair fell in ringlets about her shoulders.”

Ellie,
What a lovely description of Anne. A real fashion-plate. She must have lit up the room. Where did you find it?

It’s in Agnes Strickland’s Queens of England. I can’t find a source for it.

I believe they made the costume in this wax work of Anne based on the description – http://farm1.staticflickr.com/…..eda6d4.jpg

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April 19, 2012
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Thanks Ellie.

April 19, 2012
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Ellie and Sharon, this description appears on page 381 in volume 1 of Strickland’s book (published in 1894, I think). There are also very good descriptions of the French and English courts at the time. This is the first time I have read of Anne’s hair being like this. It would seem she only did this whilst in France and thus we only see the straight hair image of Anne in England. Interesting and informative, thanks Ellie.

April 19, 2012
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Hi Neil,
Is that you (in your new picture) falling out of a helicopter?
I don’t have a copy of Strickland’s book. Adding to list.

April 20, 2012
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Yeah, I just see her with long (really long) straight chocolate brown hair. But that’s my vision of her and I may be wrong and i’ll probably never know, sigh. Lol, I think I may be the only one to say this but I hated the way some of the girls in The Tudors hair was curled, like that one scene when Anne’s looking in the mirror and her maid comes in and she’s complaining of dizzyness which turns out to be the sweat disease…Anne’s hair, I think, looked fakely curly instead of natural. But thats me.

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April 20, 2012
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In my Sims family I made the other day I gave Anne lovely long straight brown hair.

April 20, 2012
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I read somewhere and somewhen that Anne used to wear jewelled strands in her hair.

eta….I’ve also read (Weir???) her hair was long enough to sit on.

I’ll try to find the cites though it may take a while.

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April 20, 2012
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Sharon, I prefer to call it a controlled descent.Wink I think I might change that picture for something more suitable. It’s a picture from my past, but it’s not very Tudor, is it? I’ll see if I can find one from a time when I still had hair!Smile

April 20, 2012
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Neil,
No don’t change it. I think it’s great! Cool

April 20, 2012
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Mya Elise said

Yeah, I just see her with long (really long) straight chocolate brown hair. But that’s my vision of her and I may be wrong and i’ll probably never know, sigh. Lol, I think I may be the only one to say this but I hated the way some of the girls in The Tudors hair was curled, like that one scene when Anne’s looking in the mirror and her maid comes in and she’s complaining of dizzyness which turns out to be the sweat disease…Anne’s hair, I think, looked fakely curly instead of natural. But thats me.

One of the nicknames that Old Stinky gave Anne had was Brownie. I see Anne’s hair as being almost black, rather than Chocolate brown. I’m not sure where I read or heard this but I think Anne’s hair was described as dark as a raven’s wing. Either way who care’s I wish I could have her hair it certainly made her a male head turner if that makes sence…..

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April 20, 2012
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I know Sander claims Anne’s hair was black, but he was not a contemporary of Anne, so his comments are questionable. He does go on to claim Anne also had six fingers, etc. Thomas Wyatt called her “Brunet,” and Ives frequently refers to Anne as dark of hair and eyes (Ives, 2004). I am sure there are more citations about Anne’s hair, but Ives is all I have avaliable at this time.

Interestling enough, there is still speculation amongst academics about Anne’a hair. Susan Bordo posted an article which examines Anne’s colouring, and makes an interesting theory that Anne may have had auburn hair. For me, while her argument is interesting, I do not accept her argumentation. But that is up to each individual to decide. Regardless, it is an interesting argument, and I did enjoy reading Dr. Bordo’s position. I am looking forward to her future book on Anne.

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April 20, 2012
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Duchess, It was also alledged that Anne also had 3 nipples. I feel this was an invention only in Old Stinky’s mind, and I think he perhaps voiced it to try and prove (for want of a better word) that Anne was a witch, and the 3 nipple was the devil’s teat etc…

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April 21, 2012
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Duchess, It was also alledged that Anne also had 3 nipples. I feel this was an invention only in Old Stinky’s mind, and I think he perhaps voiced it to try and prove (for want of a better word) that Anne was a witch, and the 3 nipple was the devil’s teat etc…

Oh I haven’t heard that one. Just the sixth finger and the apparent giant moles. Amazing Henry noticed none of this in a ten year relationshiop.

April 21, 2012
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Thinking of Anne’s hair I wondered if allowing she was in her 30’s and people aged quicker back then, would she have any grey hairs showing through and in those times would there have been some form of dye which ladies would use to keep their hair colour?

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April 21, 2012
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A 3rd nipple? I don’t think i’ve read that before but it sounds another ridiculous myth. What wens and 6 fingers weren’t enough deformities?
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April 21, 2012
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I imagine Anne had REALLY dark hair that actually looked black.
I imagine it was really beautiful glossy hair with a slight wave near the bottom, she must have looked stunning compared to the pale English roses of her time.

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April 21, 2012
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Did they ever really have glossy hair? They didn’t have the shampoo and condition that we have today. Didn’t people like women wearing hoods because their hair tended to be greasy.?

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April 21, 2012
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Mya Elise said

Did they ever really have glossy hair? They didn’t have the shampoo and condition that we have today. Didn’t people like women wearing hoods because their hair tended to be greasy.?

If you never wash your hair it doesn’t get greasy, it will begin washing itself after 6-8 weeks. The reason our hair gets greasy is that shampoo strips hair of its natural oils and so the scalp has to create more to compensate. Conditioner replenishes some of those oils but its still not as good as the real thing. Its the same with our skin, washing it causes imbalances in oil production, and therefore does more damage than good in the long run.

We don’t actually know how often Tudor royalty bathed, but Henry did have bathrooms with baths and running water so its possible they bathed a lot more than previously thought. Women also had access to soaps and perfumes.

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Women had been dying their hair since the Greek and Roman period.

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Generally bath times happened perhaps once a year, with the whole family sharing the same water. Understandable given that to hoof enough hot water for every one to have their own baths would have taken all day. Usually the Master of the household had his bath first, then the mistress and then the kids. By the time they had all jumped into the water the only one that you could really call clean was the master of the household..
I believe Anne did bath quite regularally, and Elizabeth was known to have at least 2 baths a year.
As for washing hair and soaps and such like they had a very basic sort of soap usually made from some sort of animal fat mixed with perfume, or herbs and spices.
Poor families of course used to bathe if and when they did in rivers, streams and ponds.
A lot of people must have had lice and fleas too, and tics too but they generally on effected country folk.

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