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"Anne, Henry has fallen from his horse and we can't wake him up....." How would you change history with what happens from here, if you were Anne?
January 24, 2012
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“Anne, 

Henry has fallen from his horse and we can't wake him up…..”          
How would you change history with what happens from here, if you were Anne?

If it was not this, then it would be something else?

January 24, 2012
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Hit him round the head a few times with a beer bottle and finish the bugger off.

January 24, 2012
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Smother him with that pillow. Quickly, no one is looking!

January 24, 2012
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Sharon said:

Smother him with that pillow. Quickly, no one is looking!

Ha, you rogue!!!

January 24, 2012
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I agree completely with the posts above, except I think I have a more violent way of doing it…Confused

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January 24, 2012
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Love all of the above! But also, Anne should move quickly to push for being Regent for the new toddler queen. Quickly, before anybody else gets any bright ideas…

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January 25, 2012
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Impish,

 She would have had to hustle. To speak of Henry's death before he was dead would have been treason, but I find it hard to believe that Norfolk, Suffolk and Cromwell were not working behind the scenes plotting for control.  They must have considered what would happen next, right?

Suffolk, Norfolk and Cromwell are in a corner of the tent speaking quietly about what to do should the king die.  Henry, unbeknownst to the men is awake, but keeps his eyes shut so he can listen in on their conversation. Suddenly he sits up and says, “I hear you! You speak of treason! Off with their heads.”  Anne goes on to bear Henry the son he has wanted for so long. They live happily ever after.

January 25, 2012
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Sharon said:

Impish,

 She would have had to hustle. To speak of Henry’s death before he was dead would have been treason, but I find it hard to believe that Norfolk, Suffolk and Cromwell were not working behind the scenes plotting for control.  They must have considered what would happen next, right?

Suffolk, Norfolk and Cromwell are in a corner of the tent speaking quietly about what to do should the king die.  Henry, unbeknownst to the men is awake, but keeps his eyes shut so he can listen in on their conversation. Suddenly he sits up and says, “I hear you! You speak of treason! Off with their heads.”  Anne goes on to bear Henry the son he has wanted for so long. They live happily ever after.

Are you sure you aren't Barbara Cartland in disguise? 

January 25, 2012
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I like it, Sharon!

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February 23, 2012
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“Anne, Henry has fallen from his horse and we can't wake him up…..”
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“Can't wake him up? Well I suggest you send Mistress Seymour to tend him she seems to enjoy perking up parts that have been asleep for years. Meanwhile I'm off to Hever to have my child, when Jane has done her stuff tell him I want a divorce.”

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February 23, 2012
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Good one Maggyann!

February 23, 2012
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Ha! Love that.

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June 13, 2013
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LOL! Love them all too :) If I were Anne, I’d quickly pack my bags and make my way back to France asap – I’d ask the French Queen if she would like me back as a lady-in-waiting and tell her King Henry is a monster and to never trust him!!!!!!! Then I’d realise it’s better to live as a lady-in-waiting in a French court than be the Queen of England with a psycho for a husband!!! And then the Queen of France would say – “Anne, I’d be happy to let you live in the French court again, but you must remember that King Henry and King Francis know each other. I wouldn’t recommend you being one of my ladies in waiting again just yet as a result, but would you accept another role in the French court household? Your life will be safer”…..to which Anne replies -“YES!”

Anne happily settled to a quiet life in the French court as the Queen’s close friend, but officially as part of the Queen’s household. The Queen changed Anne’s name to Annabelle to avoid suspicion. Anne enjoyed the anonymosity that came with being in the French court while still enjoying the perks. Anne was able to enjoy her love of religion, politics, fashion and the arts without worrying about her ‘head’ any longer. It was good not to worry about her husband’s infidelity. Anne safely gave birth to a daughter and stayed in the French Court until her natural death in 1570, still holding on to her strong religious beliefs regarding infidelity.

Legend has it that King Henry was so disgraced and heartbroken about his ‘commoner’ wife leaving him, that he invented a story that he beheaded her and made her pay for her own executioner. He forced his household to write such a theory into the history books, otherwise there would be consequences! King Henry died a sick, fat, ugly, heartbroken man.

The End :)

-"Trust in those who offer you service, and in the end my maidens, you will find yourselves in the ranks of those who have been deceived" - Archduchess Margaret of Austria.

June 23, 2013
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Kaz said

LOL! Love them all too :) If I were Anne, I’d quickly pack my bags and make my way back to France asap – I’d ask the French Queen if she would like me back as a lady-in-waiting and tell her King Henry is a monster and to never trust him!!!!!!! Then I’d realise it’s better to live as a lady-in-waiting in a French court than be the Queen of England with a psycho for a husband!!! And then the Queen of France would say – “Anne, I’d be happy to let you live in the French court again, but you must remember that King Henry and King Francis know each other. I wouldn’t recommend you being one of my ladies in waiting again just yet as a result, but would you accept another role in the French court household? Your life will be safer”…..to which Anne replies -“YES!”

Anne happily settled to a quiet life in the French court as the Queen’s close friend, but officially as part of the Queen’s household. The Queen changed Anne’s name to Annabelle to avoid suspicion. Anne enjoyed the anonymosity that came with being in the French court while still enjoying the perks. Anne was able to enjoy her love of religion, politics, fashion and the arts without worrying about her ‘head’ any longer. It was good not to worry about her husband’s infidelity. Anne safely gave birth to a daughter and stayed in the French Court until her natural death in 1570, still holding on to her strong religious beliefs regarding infidelity.

Legend has it that King Henry was so disgraced and heartbroken about his ‘commoner’ wife leaving him, that he invented a story that he beheaded her and made her pay for her own executioner. He forced his household to write such a theory into the history books, otherwise there would be consequences! King Henry died a sick, fat, ugly, heartbroken man.

The End :)

Actually all joking aside here. I wonder just what would have happened if Anne had taken Henry up on going abroad with Elizabeth etc.. When she waiting in the tower. I have a feeling as I’ve already said that neither she or Elizabeth would have lived long enough to enjoy their freedom, but what if (What if’s are good fun) Anne did do exactly what you have said Kaz. Of course Elizabeth wouldn’t be Queen but Anne would have lived along side Mary Queen of Scots, and it could well be that Elizabeth could have become one of Mary’s maids. I’m pretty certain if that was the case Mary would have been the one to unite the crowns, after Mary Tudor. but there again there would be nothing stopping Anne from saying now hold your horses here pal my Elizabeth has more right to the throne as she is a daughter of a English king. Could well be yet another bloody battle for the throne of England again. But to be honest this would be one fight that Anne wouldn’t win I think. There was really no one left who could back up her claims for Elizabeth being the King’s daughter, so yeah I think it would be a pretty foregone conclusion that Mary Queen of Scots would have been Mary Queen of France, Scotland and England. Certainly and interesting thought there, the whole of history could have been completely different and yes given how devoted Mary was to Rome I’ve no doubt we would still be a Catholic country obediant to Rome. Mary Tudor culd well have succeeded in her plans if she had been given perhaps another 4 or 5 years of life to do it. Mary QOS would have just rubber stamped the whole Pope deal bit.

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June 25, 2013
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It’s like anything in life really – how much are we willing to trade ‘to get to the top?’ in the workplace, with money, fame etc, family pressures etc.

I just bought Eric Ives’ book on Anne Boleyn and I can see that King Henry was just a psychopath that had too much power and used it like a 6 year old, with tantrums and all. I agree with most posts around this site that King Henry can’t love. It’s even sadder realising what a truly amazing and educated lady Anne Boleyn was, but if her father was as pushy as he is portrayed in The Tudors (not sure what Eric Ives says about the father yet), then we can see that Anne was used as a pawn with deadly consequences. Almost makes me sick knowing that such a lady was executed by someone like henry, it’s creepy enough reading henry’s stalker letters to Anne – so many people agree that normal people would have given up the ‘chase’, but not henry :/ Again, take away the crown and the power and what do you have left – a psycho!

Yes, what if Anne Boleyn did take that offer – yes, she was too well known, and yes, she was a feisty lady! I doubt she would be ‘hunted down’, or I hope not anyway, I hope she would have been like Catherine of Aragon – just left alone while henry married his next victim.

Cool observations about the Pope deal with Queen Mary (yet to find out about her life though).

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Hi Kaz,
You are going to love Eric Ives’ book. I may have to buy a new copy since mine is a little worse for wear. It is my ‘go to book’ for anything Anne.
I think you will see a totally different Thomas Boleyn in the book in comparison to how he was in The Tudors. Thomas did everything a good father would do for his children. He made sure they were educated by the best. Thomas was not happy when Henry set his eye on Anne. I don’t think he used his children as pawns.

Stalker letters…HaHa! When I first read them, that’s what I thought they were. I often wonder if she choked on that buck he killed for her. Unfortunately, we don’t know what she was writing back to him. Some of them sound quite desperate.

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Thanks Sharon :) Just bought mine through a local bookstore online that had and ebook version (but just the PDF version, not kindle so that was great). Yep am up to ‘a difficult engagement’ now :) Yes, Anne Boleyn’s father does seem good that he sent Anne to France to have the best education, and I love the overseas Queens that opened Anne’s eyes to religion, the arts and music (but did you read the part where the father brought someone important back with him from overseas, and left him to find his own accomodation in a strange land? Wow that wasn’t very welcoming!).

LOL yes sorry but I do think henry’s letters were totally stalker letters! Imagine dissapearing/ignoring henry and then henry sends yet another letter a few months later asking why one has abandoned him…..hmmm let me guess, yes, because that dead bird package can freak any normal person out!!! Talk about a premonition…(makes me very sad though and grateful for the advancements of the days we currently live in – divorce courts, equality, republic, witness protection etc).

Yes, it’s a shame we don’t know what Anne had to say in return to henry’s letters – would they be political???

Kind regards
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I have always wondered why Thomas Boleyn sent Anne and Mary to France to be educated? Granted I know he was an diplomat of standing and was well respected in Henry 7 & 8 courts and in the forgien courts too and as a result could have got a fairly decent education for both girls in England.

As for Henry’s love letters towards Anne I have always felt that Henry was more or less bullying Anne into loving him. I would actually love to see the letters Henry wrote to Anne. Why are these letters in the Vatican Archives? These letters are part of British heritage so we should have them here in the British Museum, so that us lesser mortals can see what happened to a man that went mad for the love of one woman..

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Good question Boleyn, yes, considering Anne’s father was well connected, why did he have to send his daughters overseas to be educated (was it the ‘in thing’ to do among his circle/hierarchy?).

Ewww the more I think about those letters the more I get creeped out, like a predator hunting for his prey!!!! Yes, it was bullying/harrassment wasn’t it? Do we remember the part in ‘The Life and Death of Anne Boleyn’ (Eric Ives) when in the beginning games of courtly love, henry threw a tantrum when he took a ring away from Anne and showed it to his group of men while they were playing, but another boy had a locket from Anne and showed henry he wasn’t the only one with something from Anne, and henry stormed off to ask Anne what it all meant (and I think Anne had to tell henry that she liked him better or something just not to catch his bad side!) Far out, chuck a hissy fit or what.

Yes, the letters should be taken back to England where they belong. However we should be grateful that the Vatican has really good document preservation procedures in place, I think the archives are under lock and key and they only give access to documents after a certain number of years have passed or something…..well, 500 years have passed here :) I think the letters are also in the Vatican archives because back in the time they wanted to prove to the Pope the things that henry was doing or something like that???

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Boleyn said

As for Henry’s love letters towards Anne I have always felt that Henry was more or less bullying Anne into loving him. I would actually love to see the letters Henry wrote to Anne. Why are these letters in the Vatican Archives? These letters are part of British heritage so we should have them here in the British Museum, so that us lesser mortals can see what happened to a man that went mad for the love of one woman..

I always seek out the Romantic elements in Tudor history (which is why I’m fascinated by the Bisley Boy story even though I neither believe nor, at heart, want it to be true); to my regret, what comes across in Henry’s love letters is his obsession with bedding Anne, and not a grand narrative of love. We are all, I suspect, guilty of Romanticising the Tudor period even when it’s most grim – there is a dark glamour even to bloodshed and poverty when it’s distanced from us by the buffer of the past – but I feel there’s precious little genuine Romance or romance in Henry’s letters, sadly.

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