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A sixth nail instead of a finger?
October 2, 2009
10:34 pm
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Claire
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As I said in my blog post, I'm reading Alison Weir's new book and she talks about Anne having an extra fingernail and moles. Now, George Wyatt does describe her as having an extra nail but I kind of thought that this idea had been thrown out. I can't see Henry chasing a woman with any defects especially when such things were seen as devil's marks. Even if Anne hid her extra fingernail at the start, surely he would have noticed or even used this as evidence of her being a witch. What do you think?

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October 3, 2009
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Reading Eric Ives' biography is interesting, because he does quote that George Wyatt passage, and give the idea of a sixth fingernail as a possibility, while I'd always assumed that was rubbish. I suppose it was written several decades afterwards, so perhaps people had begun to take the myth as fact, and as Wyatt was trying to speak up for Anne Boleyn he wanted to make out that it wasn't as bad as people thought it was, having no evidence for its being untrue. I agree that Henry probably wouldn't have fallen in love with a 'witch', but then he was so deeply in love with her that maybe it didn't matter.

The myths about the long sleeves and high collars are certainly untrue because they don't fit in with the fashions of the time! But as for the defects themselves, who knows… We never will.

October 5, 2009
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I kinda believe it.  The myth is so pervasive it seems like it had to come from somewhere.  Cavendish isn't exactly a primary source, but he's close enough considering it's been 500 years.  I agree with Flora that the high collars and sleeves must be a myth because we know that wasn't the fashion at the time.  Also, regarding the argument that Henry wouldn't have chosen a woman with such obvious defects, bottom line is Henry wasn't the most rational person and often acted out of character.  I read (I want to say it was in Ives' book) that Anne had a difficult labour with Elizabeth and Henry was heard to say that he wanted Anne's life saved at the expense of the child's if it came to it (opposite of how he felt about Jane Seymour).  From what we know of Henry, a living heir was all he cared about, so for him to say that just shows how obsessed with Anne he really was. He only started to fall out of love with her after the birth of Elizabeth.  I only say this to emphasize that while his obsession lasted, he would've overlooked any defect in Anne.  If that old story about Katherine of Aragon playing cards with Anne and Henry just so he would notice Anne's extra nail is true, I can see Henry catching on pretty quickly.  From a pyschological standpoint, he probably would have clung to Anne out of spite for Katherine's ploy.  Not saying Henry got with Anne to spite Katherine, but in this one instance I can see Katherine's actions backfiring on her.

Ainsi sera, groigne qui groigne.

October 5, 2009
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Dammit I meant Wyatt, not Cavendish^  Cavendish would indeed have been a primary source, right?

Ainsi sera, groigne qui groigne.

October 7, 2009
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My feeling is that the whole sixth finger or nail thing is blown out of all proportion.

From what I have read, all that was written about a sixth finger or nail was written after Anne's death.

One would think that more would have been made of it in the time before her marriage to Henry by her many enemies and the Church of Rome.  Thomas Moore would have had something to say about it, that is if there was any truth in it, one would think. As Moore was on a witch burning crusade of his own at that time. Would Saint Thomas be able to sit across the table from a six fingered Anne picking at her moles, say grace and finish his supper???

I don't think so.

Think of how many of Anne's foes met their deaths before Anne but never pointed a sixth finger at her or made her out to be a witch?

the ones who would have most to say was Catherine of Aragon and her daughter Mary. Perhaps with most reason. Catherine called her \”The wh*re of all Christendom\” and not the witch.

While not having the forensic resources of today, during the archaeological dig of saint Peter ad Vincula, the remains believed to be Anne did not have six fingers.

I think that stories as this one sells books and unfortunately gives credence to such myths.

Paudie. 

If it was not this, then it would be something else?

October 9, 2009
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I agree with Paudie..

Her enemies would say anything after her death to punish her for eternity. As irrational as Henry was, I think he would have heard beforehand about any deformities she had… Court life wasn't exactly discreet, and if there was any of those deformities, someone would've made sure Henry knew about it.. I've heard this myth about her since high school. And after I read up on her, I don't think she had those.. Thomas Moore would've found something to burn her for if she indeed had those..

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October 10, 2009
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I think if she DID have it, then they wouldn't have had to concoct such crazy accusations to be rid of her. It would have been very easy to use this ”deformity”  to prove that she was a witch. Her witchcraft caused the king to do all the crazy things that he did for her and as a result she would have been burned at the stake, no questions asked.  The fact that she “bewitched” him is merely mentioned almost as an afterthought, when it would have been a concrete case against her.

I personally don't think Henry could have fallen so deeply in love for someone with any form of physical defect at all. 

I also think that after her death (& the subsequent failed marriages/beheadings thereafter) people may have questioned the validity of the accusations against Anne and her poor companions in death. So to wipe out any doubt of whether the King was justified in her execution, they tacked on the witch stigma and needed something to back it up. Something like the witches mark perhaps?

Just my thoughts!

I just found this on Youtube:

It says that the body was exhumed in the 1800 & that there were only 10 fingers….its about 8 minutes long but very interesting! ENJOY

-Gina

May 28, 2010
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the nail was noticed long before anyone had any real axe to grind with her, if you'll pardon the expression. Don't canonise Anne – if she had an extra nail, so what?!?

May 30, 2010
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The Other Boleyn Boy said:

the nail was noticed long before anyone had any real axe to grind with her, if you'll pardon the expression. Don't canonise Anne – if she had an extra nail, so what?!?


When was the nail noticed and who noticed it?

I don't think people here want to cannonize Anne.  She certainly was human.  Considering the times she lived in, it would seem to lead us to believe she would not have been Queen of England if she had anything wrong with her physically.  As has been said previously in this thread, any sort of deformity was looked upon as being a sign of witchcraft. At the least it was a sign of unworthiness. One of the charges against Anne was witchcraft.  This charge, as far as history tells us, was not used against her.  If they could have proved she was a witch, they would have done so.

For us today, an extra nail means nothing.  (with a few exceptions)  In the 1500's it meant much more.  People were beyond superstitious.  A deformity meant a punishment from God, and the people shunned anyone who was different.  It seems ridiculous to us today, but that is the way people thought in Henry's time.

May 31, 2010
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The Other Boleyn Boy said:

the nail was noticed long before anyone had any real axe to grind with her, if you'll pardon the expression. Don't canonise Anne – if she had an extra nail, so what?!?


Hi The Other Boleyn Boy,

From my reading of books and primary sources the only mention of six fingers is in the writing of Nicholas Sander who made it his mission to blacken Elizabeth's mother's name when he was in exile during her reign. He was not a contemporary of Anne Boleyn. The extra fingernail is mentioned in the writings of George Wyatt, grandson of Thomas Wyatt the Elder who obviously knew Anne, but George himself was writing his book long after Anne's death. Wyatt may have heard of some imperfection on Anne's hand from his family, who were obviously close to Anne, and that makes me think that there was something on one of Anne's hands and that's where the six finger myth comes from. I can't find any other mention of it in contemporary reports or descriptions of Anne.

Debunking the myths about Anne Boleyn

June 2, 2010
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Henry was a superstitious man, and he wouldn't have put a Spanish princess aside to marry a witch and put her potential son on his throne.  Any “strange” thing on one's body was considered as the Devil's sign, and a sixth finger was more than an evidence for witches hunters. A sixth nail was surely suspect, but not enough to put you on a stake. So Anne's story proves that she had quite normal hands. And, if she had had an extra finger, she probably would have it amputated, like the witch in The Secret Diary of Anne Boleyn suggest.

By the way, Claire, you look lovely on your new photo. and with such a good entourage!Smile

June 4, 2010
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 No, Henry would not have gone with Anne in the first place if she had any defects.

 I would love to believe that Henry would have overlooked any physical imperfection Anne may have had. More than anything I would like to believe he would have loved and cherished her no matter what…mole, extra fingernail, whatever.  I would love to credit him with that much, but I can't believe it..not for a minute.  This is not a shot at Henry.  This is about the superstitious times in which he lived.  As I said previously, at the least, a person with physical defects, at that time in history, would have been looked upon as unworthy or worse as something evil, punished by God.

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