Comments on: Sir Francis Weston – Part 1 http://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/sir-francis-weston-part-1/3158/ The REAL TRUTH about Anne Boleyn "The Most Happy" Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:15:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Clairehttp://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/sir-francis-weston-part-1/3158/comment-page-1/#comment-3176 Claire Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:47:35 +0000 http://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/?p=3158#comment-3176 In my opinion, a translation of Wyatt's words would be something like "All accounts confirm that you spoke eloquently, you were held in high esteem whatever you did", meaning that Weston was held in high regard by everyone and spoke eloquently. In my opinion, a translation of Wyatt’s words would be something like “All accounts confirm that you spoke eloquently, you were held in high esteem whatever you did”, meaning that Weston was held in high regard by everyone and spoke eloquently.

]]> By: Ghawanmehhttp://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/sir-francis-weston-part-1/3158/comment-page-1/#comment-3175 Ghawanmeh Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:08:40 +0000 http://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/?p=3158#comment-3175 Can you please help with the translation and meaning of: All words accept that thou diddest speak with tougue, so well esteemed with each where though diddest fare.' Thank you Can you please help with the translation and meaning of:
All words accept that thou diddest speak with tougue, so well esteemed with each where though diddest fare.’
Thank you

]]> By: Clairehttp://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/sir-francis-weston-part-1/3158/comment-page-1/#comment-2517 Claire Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:20:20 +0000 http://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/?p=3158#comment-2517 Hi Rachel, In Alison Weir's book "The Lady in the Tower", Mary Shelton is Madge Shelton, whereas Ives attributes the name Madge to Margaret Shelton. Alison Weir states that Weston and Norris were interested in Madge Shelton, meaning Mary Shelton, how confusing is that?! Hi Rachel,
In Alison Weir’s book “The Lady in the Tower”, Mary Shelton is Madge Shelton, whereas Ives attributes the name Madge to Margaret Shelton. Alison Weir states that Weston and Norris were interested in Madge Shelton, meaning Mary Shelton, how confusing is that?!

]]> By: Rachelhttp://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/sir-francis-weston-part-1/3158/comment-page-1/#comment-2511 Rachel Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:53:34 +0000 http://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/?p=3158#comment-2511 I believe that it was Mary Shelton that Weston and Norris had affairs with. Madge is always confused with Mary. Take a look at Kelly Hart's new book, she states that it is Mary Shelton. I believe that it was Mary Shelton that Weston and Norris had affairs with. Madge is always confused with Mary. Take a look at Kelly Hart’s new book, she states that it is Mary Shelton.

]]> By: Clairehttp://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/sir-francis-weston-part-1/3158/comment-page-1/#comment-2493 Claire Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:38:06 +0000 http://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/?p=3158#comment-2493 Thank you, Caroline. It's great that there are so many books out there now setting the story straight about Anne Boleyn and educating people about who she really was but the five men are often ignored. I can't even find a portrait of George Boleyn, yet he was Lord Rochford and one of the most powerful men at court! I think Anne's enemies did a good job at destroying documents and portraits pertaining to her and the Boleyn faction and it's left us with huge gaps in information. I also think it's sad the idea you get about these men from books like Retha Warnicke's where they are depicted as rogues and "libertines", men who went against the norms of society. It's only in reading Ives and Weir that you get some idea of what these men were like. These men were caught up in a brutal coup through no fault og their own, how awful that the normal ritual of courtly love could be turned against them in this way. It's interesting what you say about Most Haunted. The only one I can find on YouTube with the word "Sutton" in is an episode on Sutton House in London which is different to Sutton Place in Surrey. Let me know if you can find anything about Sutton Place and the ghost of Weston's wife. Thanks for the comment! Thank you, Caroline. It’s great that there are so many books out there now setting the story straight about Anne Boleyn and educating people about who she really was but the five men are often ignored. I can’t even find a portrait of George Boleyn, yet he was Lord Rochford and one of the most powerful men at court! I think Anne’s enemies did a good job at destroying documents and portraits pertaining to her and the Boleyn faction and it’s left us with huge gaps in information.
I also think it’s sad the idea you get about these men from books like Retha Warnicke’s where they are depicted as rogues and “libertines”, men who went against the norms of society. It’s only in reading Ives and Weir that you get some idea of what these men were like. These men were caught up in a brutal coup through no fault og their own, how awful that the normal ritual of courtly love could be turned against them in this way.
It’s interesting what you say about Most Haunted. The only one I can find on YouTube with the word “Sutton” in is an episode on Sutton House in London which is different to Sutton Place in Surrey. Let me know if you can find anything about Sutton Place and the ghost of Weston’s wife.
Thanks for the comment!

]]> By: caroline Watsonhttp://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/sir-francis-weston-part-1/3158/comment-page-1/#comment-2397 caroline Watson Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:56:35 +0000 http://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/?p=3158#comment-2397 I find the study of Weston to be interesting and gives time to look at other facts about him that usually dont get mentioned in the UK. Its usually a case of concentrating on the fact he was one of the men who was executed for his claimed involvement with Anne Bolyne,and then that is usually the end of it. For him to be looked at closer on a personal level so to find about his life in general is a good idea as is looking at what kind of person he was in general and where did he come from before the Anne Bolyne situation came in to play sadly ending his life with execution. I once watched a program we have in the uk called most haunted. On one of there earlier episodes they investigated a home of Westons which I am sure was Sutton house They have a psychic medium on the show that will be took to a location and then do a walkround to see what they pick up and if there are any spirits there. the medium picked up on the stair case the spirit of Westons wife who he said was distressed and around more than she should be. She was ringing her hands and the information he picked up was that she was waiting for her Francis but she couldnt find him,also the name of Henry V111 was given and she said my francis was took by Henry and that Henry was responsible for her losing her Francis. The medium explained that she couldnt find Francis because she was a grounded spirit and had not moved on when she died but had stayed there stuck because she was still waiting for her husband. This she didn't realize that it was ok to let go to go on to the light were Francis would be.Francis spirit had moved to the light at the time of his death but the reason she couldn't find him was because she had kept herself grounded and didn't move on to the light when she died still thinking she had to wait there for Francis. I have always thought that was a good ideal although allot of people say programs like that are fake and just entertainment. The medium did come up with other information and to verify it the researchers had to dig deep for some time until they found this information was little known and matched up to what the medium said. That was really the only thing I have seen that mentions Western and other aspects of his life that are not based around the Anne Bolyne case and I found it interesting as I do with this article so carry on the good work Claire you are good at putting all together and having a fresh view on allot of these historical topics. I find the study of Weston to be interesting and gives time to look at other facts about him that usually dont get mentioned in the UK. Its usually a case of concentrating on the fact he was one of the men who was executed for his claimed involvement with Anne Bolyne,and then that is usually the end of it.
For him to be looked at closer on a personal level so to find about his life in general is a good idea as is looking at what kind of person he was in general and where did he come from before the Anne Bolyne situation came in to play sadly ending his life with execution.
I once watched a program we have in the uk called most haunted. On one of there earlier episodes they investigated a home of Westons which I am sure was Sutton house
They have a psychic medium on the show that will be took to a location and then do a walkround to see what they pick up and if there are any spirits there. the medium picked up on the stair case the spirit of Westons wife who he said was distressed and around more than she should be. She was ringing her hands and the information he picked up was that she was waiting for her Francis but she couldnt find him,also the name of Henry V111 was given and she said my francis was took by Henry and that Henry was responsible for her losing her Francis. The medium explained that she couldnt find Francis because she was a grounded spirit and had not moved on when she died but had stayed there stuck because she was still waiting for her husband. This she didn’t realize that it was ok to let go to go on to the light were Francis would be.Francis spirit had moved to the light at the time of his death but the reason she couldn’t find him was because she had kept herself grounded and didn’t move on to the light when she died still thinking she had to wait there for Francis.
I have always thought that was a good ideal although allot of people say programs like that are fake and just entertainment. The medium did come up with other information and to verify it the researchers had to dig deep for some time until they found this information was little known and matched up to what the medium said.
That was really the only thing I have seen that mentions Western and other aspects of his life that are not based around the Anne Bolyne case and I found it interesting as I do with this article so carry on the good work Claire you are good at putting all together and having a fresh view on allot of these historical topics.

]]> By: Clairehttp://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/sir-francis-weston-part-1/3158/comment-page-1/#comment-2387 Claire Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:38:05 +0000 http://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/?p=3158#comment-2387 Hi Gina, I think Cromwell had to get rid of the Boleyn faction too otherwise they would have risen against Cromwell in support of Anne and turned Henry against him. The allegations against Anne sorted out the problem completely because they implicated the 4 leading members of the faction plus the "hanger-on" Mark Smeaton who was expendable and could be interrogated/tortured without the worry of any reprisals. So sad.Hi Tudorrose, I haven't seen the carvings in the marriage cupboard so I can't really comment but Alison Weir talks of both of them in her latest book and seems convinced that the portrait is of Francis Weston. The portrait dates back to the 16th century and has the name Weston of Sutton Surrey and the family home of the Westons was Sutton Place. It does appear that it is a likeness of Weston. Hi Gina,
I think Cromwell had to get rid of the Boleyn faction too otherwise they would have risen against Cromwell in support of Anne and turned Henry against him. The allegations against Anne sorted out the problem completely because they implicated the 4 leading members of the faction plus the “hanger-on” Mark Smeaton who was expendable and could be interrogated/tortured without the worry of any reprisals. So sad.

Hi Tudorrose,
I haven’t seen the carvings in the marriage cupboard so I can’t really comment but Alison Weir talks of both of them in her latest book and seems convinced that the portrait is of Francis Weston. The portrait dates back to the 16th century and has the name Weston of Sutton Surrey and the family home of the Westons was Sutton Place. It does appear that it is a likeness of Weston.

]]> By: Tudorrosehttp://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/sir-francis-weston-part-1/3158/comment-page-1/#comment-2381 Tudorrose Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:53:45 +0000 http://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/?p=3158#comment-2381 If this be a picture of Master Weston then I am glad as there seems to be no sketch drawings or portraits that exist or have existed of theese five doomed men. If there were any pictures that did exist of all or any of the five men then they were probably lost or destroyed.I feel this to be a painting of Francis Weston myself.I have never seen this picture before until now but I was astounded and surprised to see this picture and also by the fact that it may be a picture of Weston. As for the two pictures of Francis Weston and Anne Pickering adorned in the "Marriage Cupboard" I have not seen this either.Does this picture that is said to be of Francis Weston match that of the man who is alongside Anne Pickering (Mistress Weston) in the wooden cupboard? If it were to be a match then the question would be answered.Therefore the question mark could be removed. :-) If this be a picture of Master Weston then I am glad as there seems to be no sketch drawings or portraits that exist or have existed of theese five doomed men. If there were any pictures that did exist of all or any of the five men then they were probably lost or destroyed.I feel this to be a painting of Francis Weston myself.I have never seen this picture before until now but I was astounded and surprised to see this picture and also by the fact that it may be a picture of Weston. As for the two pictures of Francis Weston and Anne Pickering adorned in the “Marriage Cupboard” I have not seen this either.Does this picture that is said to be of Francis Weston match that of the man who is alongside Anne Pickering (Mistress Weston) in the wooden cupboard? If it were to be a match then the question would be answered.Therefore the question mark could be removed. :-)

]]> By: Ginahttp://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/sir-francis-weston-part-1/3158/comment-page-1/#comment-2210 Gina Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:56:05 +0000 http://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/?p=3158#comment-2210 No matter how much I think about Anne's exection, I can't bear the thought of the men that were convicted with her..I posted in the forum: why these men? Was it all Cromwells doing? Was it jealousy? I pity them and their families for such obvious false claims made against them. No matter how much I think about Anne’s exection, I can’t bear the thought of the men that were convicted with her..I posted in the forum: why these men? Was it all Cromwells doing? Was it jealousy? I pity them and their families for such obvious false claims made against them.

]]> By: Clairehttp://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/sir-francis-weston-part-1/3158/comment-page-1/#comment-2191 Claire Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:43:25 +0000 http://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/?p=3158#comment-2191 OK, here are some definitions:- Libertine - A libertine is one devoid of any restraints, especially one who ignores or even spurns accepted morals, and forms of behavior sanctioned by the larger society (wikipedia). A debauchee, rounder (a dissolute person; usually a man who is morally unrestrained) (WorldNet). Buggery - I used this term as it is the one used by Retha Warnicke in "The Rise and Fall of Anne Boleyn". It is generally used interchangeably with "sodomy" and generally involves sexual intercourse between men. Warnicke talks about the Buggery Act of 1534 which made buggery a felony, along with bestiality. Sodomy/buggery and incest were apparently associated with witchcraft and illicit sexual acts were associated with the birth of deformed babies. Now, I'm not sure that there is any evidence that Anne had a deformed baby but I can see how, if she did, accusations of witchcraft and adultery could stick. Of the five men executed, Warnicke says: "Evidence from extant documentation supports the speculation that they were all thought to be libertines and that at least two of them were suspected of having violated the statute that made buggery a capital offence". By the way, did anyone else feel that Warnicke's book focused rather too much on sex?! Yes, Lisa, in Britain "B Off" would be used in the same way as "F Off" but is rather old-fashioned now and tends to only be used by the older generation. I can't believe that I have just written this before breakfast, not sure I want any now lol!! OK, here are some definitions:-
Libertine – A libertine is one devoid of any restraints, especially one who ignores or even spurns accepted morals, and forms of behavior sanctioned by the larger society (wikipedia). A debauchee, rounder (a dissolute person; usually a man who is morally unrestrained) (WorldNet).
Buggery – I used this term as it is the one used by Retha Warnicke in “The Rise and Fall of Anne Boleyn”. It is generally used interchangeably with “sodomy” and generally involves sexual intercourse between men.
Warnicke talks about the Buggery Act of 1534 which made buggery a felony, along with bestiality. Sodomy/buggery and incest were apparently associated with witchcraft and illicit sexual acts were associated with the birth of deformed babies. Now, I’m not sure that there is any evidence that Anne had a deformed baby but I can see how, if she did, accusations of witchcraft and adultery could stick. Of the five men executed, Warnicke says:
“Evidence from extant documentation supports the speculation that they were all thought to be libertines and that at least two of them were suspected of having violated the statute that made buggery a capital offence”.
By the way, did anyone else feel that Warnicke’s book focused rather too much on sex?!
Yes, Lisa, in Britain “B Off” would be used in the same way as “F Off” but is rather old-fashioned now and tends to only be used by the older generation.
I can’t believe that I have just written this before breakfast, not sure I want any now lol!!

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