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9:30 am
December 5, 2009
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If you take it even further then it puts the blame on George, because if he hadn’t been horrible to Jane then she wouldn’t have provided the evidence in the first place. Therefore, George is once again the bad guy. Oh yes, and he ‘probably’ raped and abused Jane. Those horrid Boleyns brought it all on themselves.
1:48 pm
October 28, 2011
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Oh yes of course 
12:40 am
November 18, 2010
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Olga said
Sharon said
I agree with Olga about Jane. I think she has been terribly maligned throughout history. I suggest everyone read Jane Boleyn, by Julia Fox. It will change your mind about this lady. If Anne had not trusted her, she would never have conveyed to Jane the information about Henry’s inabilities in the bedroom. That is not something Anne would tell to someone she did not trust. It is unfortunate that after much interrogating by Cromwell that Jane told him this. If she did indeed tell him. And asking someone you don’t trust to help you rid yourself of a rival does not make sense to me. I think Anne and Jane had a sisterly relationship. Jane was accepted back at court shortly after Anne and George were killed. She was highly regarded. It wasn’t until after Jane was beheaded that she became the devil incarnate.
I’m somewhat surprised at Loade’s view of her.Sharon always sums things up so nicely
I really think the chapter where Julia outlines exactly how Jane started to gain her reputation and how is has been perpetuated is fascinating. Sharon is right the book will completely change your mind. I’m glad it’s one of the earliest books I read so I wasn’t taken in by things other historians have said. It puts a very different spin on the trial, and on George’s life.
Going by traditional thinking it’s easy to assume Jane made a full testimony they were having an incestuous relationship, that she did so because they had an unhappy marriage or because she was jealous or whatever other rubbish they come up with, and it ties it all into a neat little parcel. It also again points the blame away from Henry and directly at Jane, because people seem to assume if Jane had not made the testimony they may have been spared. It’s rubbish.Ok I will stop ranting momentarily. Only to be horrified at Jane ripping her clothes off on the scaffold
trust me…the first time I read it, there was a minor nuclear explosion over my head…
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12:52 am
November 18, 2010
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Louise said
If you take it even further then it puts the blame on George, because if he hadn’t been horrible to Jane then she wouldn’t have provided the evidence in the first place. Therefore, George is once again the bad guy. Oh yes, and he ‘probably’ raped and abused Jane. Those horrid Boleyns brought it all on themselves.
that convinces me….
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5:30 pm
August 27, 2012
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Just had to bump this thread up again 
Regarding Mary’s descendants, can anyone tell me which of her children our current Queen Elizabeth II is descended from? And the same regarding Princess Diana? Or are they both the same child? I’ve also heard that Winston Churchill was descended from Mary Boleyn to? As was Charles Darwin?
It’s incredible to think that although the Boleyn family fell in 1536 and where pretty much destroyed, that hundreds of years later their blood is now sitting on the throne again, and with Prince William being descended from Mary through both his parents, it will be even stronger when he comes to the throne 
9:08 pm
January 3, 2012
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James33 said
Just had to bump this thread up again
Regarding Mary’s descendants, can anyone tell me which of her children our current Queen Elizabeth II is descended from? And the same regarding Princess Diana? Or are they both the same child? I’ve also heard that Winston Churchill was descended from Mary Boleyn to? As was Charles Darwin?
It’s incredible to think that although the Boleyn family fell in 1536 and where pretty much destroyed, that hundreds of years later their blood is now sitting on the throne again, and with Prince William being descended from Mary through both his parents, it will be even stronger when he comes to the throne
Our Queen James is decended from Margaret Tudor, who married the Scottish King James 4th in 1503
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4:03 am
November 18, 2010
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James33 said
Just had to bump this thread up again
Regarding Mary’s descendants, can anyone tell me which of her children our current Queen Elizabeth II is descended from? And the same regarding Princess Diana? Or are they both the same child? I’ve also heard that Winston Churchill was descended from Mary Boleyn to? As was Charles Darwin?
It’s incredible to think that although the Boleyn family fell in 1536 and where pretty much destroyed, that hundreds of years later their blood is now sitting on the throne again, and with Prince William being descended from Mary through both his parents, it will be even stronger when he comes to the throne
IIRC..wikipedia has ability to follow up the family tre of notable people. How accurate it is is any-one’s guess. I’m trying to think of any other websites which has a full famiy tree of Mary Boleyn’s desceants ……..possibly the Church of the Latter Day Saints( Mormons) in Salt Lake City as they have post-humously baptised Henry and some, if not all of his wives as members..
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2:15 pm
January 3, 2012
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Yes I saw that article in the paper about the Mormons baptising Henry I believe COA and K.P were the only 2 wives mentioned along with Henry’s baptisim. I also think Elizabeth was as well.
I have to have a giggle, I wonder what Henry would have said to the Mormons baptising him? Henry who chopped and changed his way through religion at the drop of his feathered cap being accepted into a religion which is fairly modern given the circumstances.
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7:55 pm
January 13, 2013
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Barnettbuff said
Anyanka,
Sorry it has taken so long to enter this post, but I’ve just joined the site.
Here’s my take on Mary Boleyn and William Carey’s issues: Mary Catherine b.c. 15 Aug 1524; and Henry b.c. 4 Mar 1526Catherine mar. Sir Francis Knollys, Knight of the Garter (Francis was instrumental in overseeing Mary Queen of Scots, when she came to England)
Among their 5 issues was: Anne, b.c. 1553, who mar. Sir Thomas Leighton WEST, 2nd Baron de la Warr in 1571. John WEST Sr, 3rd Baron de la Warr, was their son. John WEST Sr. mar. Anne Claiborne dePERCY and had Col John WEST Jr.
Col. John WEST Jr. mar. Ursula Croshaw, who was g’daughter of Gov. George Yeardley of Virginia.
Their daughter, Anne WEST mar. Henry FOX of New Kent County, Va.
One of their issues was: Ann FOX who mar. Capt. Thomas CLAIBORNE, Jr, also of New Kent.
Their daughter, Martha “Peggy” CLAIBORNE mar. John D. WEBB of Charles Parish, York, Va.
Their daughter, Lucy WEBB mar. Nathan BARNETT, John Franklin BARNETT was their son. (Both Nathan and John served in Revolutionary War)
John moved to Clarke Co, Georgia and mar. Carline Fleming TINDALL and had among many: William Booker BARNETT
William Booker BARNETT moved to Calloway Co, Kentucky and mar. Mary “Polly” Blakeley
One of their sons was: Joseph Josiah BARNETT who mar. Nancy Maddox; and they had George Washington BARNETT (who served in the Confederate Army during the US Civil War) George mar. Martha Jane JONES and had my grandmother, Henrietta BARNETT who mar. Euin Thompson and had my Mother Vannie Bell THOMPSON.I hope this post isn’t too long and/or complicated. But this is how I believe I am related to the Boleyn Family. If others here have different info, I sure would like to know about it. I’m no professional researcher and am prone to making mistakes; but nevertheless I enjoy studying family history.
ONE QUESTION: Does anyone have ideas concerning the possibility that Catherine and Henry may have been sired by King Henry VIII and not by Mary’s husband, William Carey? I believe it is a know fact that Mary and Henry had relationships AFTER her marriage to William. I’ve read several bits concerning this issue and many state that it is a good possibility that perhaps both were indeed Henry’s. (I’m sure we will never know the facts, for sure) But if that were the case, Henry would be my direct ancester. I don’t know if I would want to claim that connection, or not!!
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8:02 pm
January 13, 2013
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Hi Barnettbuff! I guess you could say we are cousins! I, too, am descended from Catherine’s daughter Anne marrying into the West family. Only my line descends through her son Thomas. There’s another famous person who is descended from Mary through this same line. That is Martha Dandridge Washington. We don’t have Kings or Queens here in the U.S. But Martha and her husband George Washington are as close as you can come (since he turned down being made king). So you could say the Boleyns also made it to the top over on this side of the pond too! I have often wondered about Henry fathering Catherine. there is a lot of circumstantial evidence to support it, but it will probably never be known absolutely one way or the other.
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2:02 am
October 1, 2012
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LadyCat,
Sorry, I just saw this post of yours, after I had posted a PM to you. FYI, US President Lyndon B. Johnson was also from the Mary Bolyne Line. He is a distant cousin to me (and also my wife) through the Barnett Family of NE Georgia and Virginia.
Later, Larry
11:33 am
Barnettbuff said
The fact that Mary was with Henry AFTER here marriage to William is what surprised me so much. Having first read it, I assumed the affair was while she was single??? Oh well, I suppose William’s “career” was the most important thing for him; or perhaps he was so dumb that he actually was unaware of the situation?
From my limited “research”, (if you can call it that), William died young of “the sweats” and Mary remarried and had two more children, Anne and Edward by her second husband, William Stafford. Mary’s son-in-law, Sir Francis Knollys who married Catherine Carey, was very close to Elizabeth I during her reign and was “in the treasury” I cannot recall his title, and he was instrumental in the affairs of Mary, Queen of Scots during her early escape from Scotland to England. Much of his correspondence concernings those affairs of state have been recorded and make for very interesting reading.
Larry (Barnettbuff)
In “Thomas Cromwell” by Tracy Borman, she mentions Mary Boleyn being visibly pregnant by her second husband William Stafford in Sept 1534. However, no result of this pregnancy is mentioned, only the possibility that this made Anne even more annoyed with her than she was anyway for her unauthorised marriage to Stafford. I can’t find any later trace of any children by Stafford, only of her two children by William Carey (or the king), except that apparently Burke’s Peerage mentions a Stafford child who was born in 1534 and died in 1543. No gender is given, nor any further details. I haven’t consulted Burke’s myself – this is mentioned on The Peerage.com.
