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Of all the inaccuracies...
May 23, 2014
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I suppose the reason to why there was a picture of Richard (apart from being part of the set) is to remind people that anything is possible.
H7 overcame impossible odds and gained a throne. H5 destroyed the French army at Agincourt in little over 2 hours. etc.
Although I would have thought that a picture of H5 would have been displayed, the reason being is because H8 (real life) viewed H5 as some sort of a hero, and I believe that one of the things he really wanted to do, was to do as his hero had done and take France for his own.

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May 25, 2014
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All I thought was some poor set designer just pulled up some Tudor-era portaits to fill out some space in the back-grounfd.

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May 26, 2014
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Well flukes are good too Laugh Did the portrait have a red or blue background Lady Kay, do you remember?

May 26, 2014
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Olga said

Well flukes are good too Laugh Did the portrait have a red or blue background Lady Kay, do you remember?

It was red. It was the well known portrait of Richard III, with him fiddling with his ring.

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May 26, 2014
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Anyanka said

All I thought was some poor set designer just pulled up some Tudor-era portaits to fill out some space in the back-grounfd.

That’s what I thought!

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May 26, 2014
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Boleyn said

I suppose the reason to why there was a picture of Richard (apart from being part of the set) is to remind people that anything is possible.
H7 overcame impossible odds and gained a throne. H5 destroyed the French army at Agincourt in little over 2 hours. etc.
Although I would have thought that a picture of H5 would have been displayed, the reason being is because H8 (real life) viewed H5 as some sort of a hero, and I believe that one of the things he really wanted to do, was to do as his hero had done and take France for his own.

I would have thought Henry V as well since that was who H8 admired so much. Maybe it was there to remind him of how he got to power. :)

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May 27, 2014
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Well they got the right one at least. You never now they may have actually researched that part…and for television purposes Richard III has a society all to himself, they may have figured he was more prominent in pop-culture Laugh

June 30, 2014
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In the words of some character I can’t remember from a movie, “I’ve never seen so much, so wrong, so fast.”

The Tudors was worth watching only for Natalie Dormer’s amazing ‘flirting with her eyes’ skill.
I had apoplexy during the episodes I watched. Soooooo much was inaccurate.
Most annoying of all was the Irish chick they had playing Catherine of Aragon. Long-suffering marty much?

The actual truth was so much more entertaining than what was combined in that hot mess of Tudor-style nakedness, baddies twirling their mustaches while the virgin was tied to the railroad tracks (yeah, I know but you get my point) bedspring-polka programming. Yell

July 1, 2014
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To be honest the portrayal of K.H was the one that really irritated me more than anything. I wanted to jump through the screen and cuff her one.
I am sure Tazmin Outhwaite? is a good actress, but she certainly wasn’t the right person to choose to portray K.H. I know she was meant to portray K.H as young and perhaps a little naive, as well as being sexy etc, but the petulant behaviour and strutting about got right up my bugle.
I am sure the real K.H was nothing like that, Emily Blunt played a good K.H. Flirty but at least showed some decorum and Queenly virtues in her portrayal. In the original series of the 1970’s K.H part was played by Angela Pleasence and actually her portrayal was rather good, it showed her to be kind and gentle, and able to manage the cantankious old git that H8 had become. The only thing about The Tudors portrayal is when K.H was on the scaffold, when she looked up to the sky and said “Life is very beautiful” and then lay her head on the block. I guess it was then she showed just how young she really was, I’m guessing she was about 19 when she went to her death in real life.

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March 6, 2015
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Most of us of the same thought here, Davetee. It would have been good if Showtime had continued the series.
Mary’s speech to Chapuys, when he was to return to Spain was said with such determination, that it would have been good to see how her reign would have been portrayed.
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Old English wyrd (n.) “fate, destiny,” literally “that which comes,” from Proto-Germanic *wurthis (cf. Old Saxon wurd, Old High German wurt “fate,” Old Norse urðr “fate, one of the three Norns”), from PIE *wert- “to turn, wind,” (cf. German werden, Old English weorðan “to become”), from root *wer- (3) “to turn, bend” (see versus ). For sense development from “turning” to “becoming,” cf. phrase turn into “become.”

The modern sense of weird developed from Middle English use of weird sisters for the three fates or Norns (in Germanic mythology), the goddesses who controlled human destiny. They were portrayed as odd or frightening in appearance, as in “Macbeth,” which led to the adjectival meaning “odd-looking, uncanny,” first recorded 1815.
I hope this helps a little.

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March 20, 2015
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The only thing that got seriously up my bugle with the series, is how Katherine Howard was portrayed. I can understand why the producers, decided to portray her that way. It was to draw attention, to her youth, but it just made me want to leap through the screen and give her a damn good hiding.
However aside from that I love the series. You aren’t on your own with spouse not wanting to watch anything historical with you, my dinosaur hates history and really moans when I point out any inaccuracies in a particular programme.
That’s why our Boleyn home is so important to us, as it’s where like minds can get together, and chatter about history until the cows come home, and then go back out again.

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March 20, 2015
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I must be the lucky one. My husband watched the whole series with me. And he put up with all my yelling about inaccuracies. There were a several things which bugged me, but I enjoyed it, and hated to see it end.

April 4, 2015
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Sharon said

Hi everyone
I have just joined so I’m a little behind….I loved the Tudors series for pure entertainment…(no one in my family would watch it with me though as I kept yelling at all the inaccuracies lol) I too hated Wolsey’s suicide..but I think that for some reason Anne having blue eyes bugged me ALOT !! Katherine Parr’s second husband telling her to go to hell on his deathbed also really really annoyed me, and Elizabeth appearing unconcerned in her final scene as her father says goodbye for the last time… all these things, though small, drove me crazy. And to have amalgamated the 2 Tudor sisters ( BTW 2 of the most interesting women of their time ) and have Margaret murder the king of Portugal…Mental !!!!

Although I also enjoyed The Tudors despite myself, I think that business with the two sisters being amalgamated and moved to Portugal was the most irritating thing. They seem to think that the audience were dim enough not to be able to deal with two sisters, or with several characters called Mary. It also tied their hands if they wanted to continue the series after Henry’s death, as they would have had to explain Mary Queen of Scots’ claim to the English throne! To say nothing of the origin and status of Lord Darnley and of Arbella Stuart. Also re KP, I cannot recall if they dealt with her husband’s involvement in the Pilgrimage of Grace properly, or if they portrayed him as older than he actually was, it is some time since I watched it.

April 5, 2015
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K.P’s 2nd husband (Pilgramage of Grace hissy fit) was about 40 when he married K.P. Not exactly elderly by today’s standards, but 15/16th century standards, he was living on borrowed time. I believe that William Parr (Brother) may well have done a bit of blagging work to Henry to spare the life of his brother in law in real life. This is purely a guess mind you, but it does seem feasable to me.
As for the continuation of the series, The Tudors, I believe they (writers) would have possibly made out, that (Henry’s uncle who was murdered in Orbino in the very first episode) would have had a daughter or 2 and a couple of grandkids to boot as well, and that Darnley and Mary QoS were decended through this blood line.

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April 7, 2015
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Boleyn said Elizabeth appearing unconcerned in her final scene as her father says goodbye for the last time…

I thought that it showed well Elizabeth’s strength of character which made her such a great ruler. Besides, it evidently pleased Henry.

In that time, royal children did not live with their parents, and they were taught always behave without showing their true feelings.

Yes I agree Hannele, that one scene actually summed up the real Elizabeth, or I should say how the real Elizabeth may well have been.
I do wish that Showtime would have continued on with the series, to cover the reigns of Edward, Mary and Elizabeth.

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April 7, 2015
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Hannele said

Boleyn said (Henry’s uncle who was murdered in Orbino in the very first episode) would have had a daughter or 2 and a couple of grandkids to boot as well, and that Darnley and Mary QoS were decended through this blood line.

Except Henry had only one paternal uncle, Jasper Tudor, who had no claim on the throne (his brother married Margaret Beaufort who bore the future Henry VII after his death) and who had no legitimate children. Henry’s maternal uncles were of course the Princes in Tower.

I was meaning that the Tudors series started with the mythological uncle being murdered in Orbino. If Showtime wanted to include, the Darnley/Mary QoS storylines in Elizabeth’s Series,(If they had continued the series on) they would probably write in that they were decended from Henry’s murdered Uncle.

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Hannele said

Boleyn said

Hannele said

Boleyn said (Henry’s uncle who was murdered in Orbino in the very first episode) would have had a daughter or 2 and a couple of grandkids to boot as well, and that Darnley and Mary QoS were decended through this blood line.

Except Henry had only one paternal uncle, Jasper Tudor, who had no claim on the throne (his brother married Margaret Beaufort who bore the future Henry VII after his death) and who had no legitimate children. Henry’s maternal uncles were of course the Princes in Tower.

I was meaning that the Tudors series started with the mythological uncle being murdered in Orbino. If Showtime wanted to include, the Darnley/Mary QoS storylines in Elizabeth’s Series,(If they had continued the series on) they would probably write in that they were decended from Henry’s murdered Uncle.

But there was no mention in the show that the King of Scots was in any way related with Henry. One cannot suddenly make a revelation about a relative – unless a character had himself has not known of him or her.

In any case, Margaret’s (i.e Mary duchess of Suffolk) all descendants would have been self-evident heirs after Elizabeth as she was the daughter of Henry VIII, whereas this imaginary uncle was only Henry VII’s brother.

Since the whole series was completely fictional I am sure that the writers would have found a way around this problem. After all fictional historical entertainment is always venturing into the realms of make believe where anything is possible. In short anything goes, that why historical fiction is so popular. And often infruiating too.

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May 24, 2015
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Hannele, the inaccuracies in The Tudors that rankle are so many in number – but the one you pointed out is indeed, the laziness of a continuity department not dotting its “I’s” nor crossing its “T’s.”

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Despite the glaring errors in the Tudors, the series was good, and I enjoyed it.
Although I do agree that the lack of Crossing T’s and Dotting I’s was not acceptable.
In real life Anne allegdely miscarried around about the 3 month mark, and it would be unlikely that a baby bump would start to show at that point. It’s possible to have a little bump I suppose depending on the situation I.e more than one baby.

Maybe the reason to why they put emphasis on Anne’s pregnancy, during the last episode or 2 with K.O.A being in the series, was to draw attention on just how important it was for her to have a healthy male child.
So the showtime people had to make it seem as if Anne was more pregnant that she actually was to give the impact of Katherine’s death and Anne’s miscarriage more dramatic than it was in real life.
It would be good if the Showtime people would continue on with the series. I would certainly like to see the way both Mary and Elizabeth’s reigns would be portrayed.
Fireworks is the closest word to what would happen there.

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May 30, 2015
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I think the suicide storyline in the Tudors, was put in to add just a bit more spice. However in my opinion, it is possible that in real life Wolsey did commit suicide, by injesting poison. Remember he was on his way to London, and the Tower, which he knew would result in his death, no matter what. The wolves were after his blood, and if he had reached London alive they would make sure they got it. If Wolsey had ended his days on the block, people would forever remember him as a traitor to his King. Wolsey did admit to premuarie, but I don’t believe he was guilty for a moment. He did exactly what Henry had asked him to do, in fact he actually went beyond that.. Henry wanted a swift divorce, Wolsey worked tirelessly to give him his wish. When the Pope refused to even contemplate Henry’s wish, Wolsey continued to pressure the Pope and eventually managed to get the case heard in England not in Rome as would normally be the case.
The Pope natually sent his own proxy to make sure that Katherine was fairly treated and her side could be listened to. The Pope gave Wolsey and his proxy the power to dissolve the marriage if Henry could prove his case. The reason to why the divorce failed was not down to either either Wolsey or Campagio, it failed due to Henry’s shoddy evidence, to back up his case.. Evidence that was over 20 years old, and was suspect in the first place. Leviticus, states that a marriage between a man and a brother’s wife would be childless, Henry interpreted it to mean no son. But Henry and Katherine did have a son (in fact they had several sons) not either of their faults that they all died, the marriage was not childless, they had Mary. Henry stated that he had doubts abut his marriage as early as 1512/13 and yet he choose to say nothing because of the love he bore Katherine.. Hogwash, Henry had always stated he was a devout man if he had had these doubts in 1512/13 he would have acted on them end of.
In short the only thing Henry actually did during the whole divorce proceeding is made himself look very stupid.
Wolsey was blamed because he failed to get Henry his divorce, when in truth the real reason to why Wolsey failed was because of Henry. Henry looked a fool because of the evidence he produced, which was, just hear say and bedroom snickering and everyone was laughing at him, so he blamed Wolsey. If it hadn’t of been Wolsey it would have been someone else, because Henry could bear the thought he was at fault in anything

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