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9:02 pm
March 23, 2014
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Anyone know if there are living descendents of Mary Stafford?
1:06 am
October 1, 2012
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Mindy — pretty sure my wife and I are descendants of Mary Boleyn and husband Sir William Carey (or perhaps King Henry VIII, by some estimations)
That is why I have such interest in this Anne Boleyn Files site.
2:45 am
November 18, 2010
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Mary and Willaim had 2 children, a son Edward(153501545) and a daughter Anne (1536?-?). Anne may well haev lived long enough to have children of her own.
The current Queen Elizabeth is a descendant of Mary from her first marriage to William Carey through her mother, Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyons.
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6:27 pm
October 1, 2012
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Anyanka: It is my understanding that Sir William Carey and Mary Boleyn had a son Henry and a daughter, Catherine, who married Sir Francis Knollys.
I don’t want to use this forum for Family searches, but is not the above true?
I have their daughter, Anne, marrying Sir Thomas Leighton West, who had John West, who married Anne Claiborne de Percy, and their son Col. John West Jr, married 1) Ursula Croshaw, 2) Susannah Stafford. His daughter Anne West married Henry Fox and had Ann Fox, the wife of Capt Thomas Claiborne, Jr, and his dughter Martha Peggy Claiborne married John D. Webb, whose daughter Lucy Webb married Nathan Barnett, Sr.; hence comes my interest in the BARNETT Family.
3:47 am
November 18, 2010
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Yes, you are correct…And QEII is a descendant from that marrriage.
But Mary and her second Wiliam(Stafford) also had 2 children which was the question I was answering for milady Mindy.
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1:46 pm
October 1, 2012
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Anyanka — yes, I see your point now. I assumed she was referring to Mary BEFORE her second marriage to Stafford, but maybe not. TY
10:31 am
January 3, 2012
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Been doing a little bit of digging (no not Lard Arse’s grave Larry) This is what I’ve found out.
It appears that William Stafford remained a widower for about 10 years after Mary’s death, he was at court during little Eddy’s reign. William remarried around that time too. During Mary Tulip’s reign he went abroad as so many protestants did at that time, and got involved with the Calvinists.
He also started to call himself Lord Rochford, which of course was a title he had no right to at all. Anyway he died shortly after Bessie came to the throne and was buried abroad.
Now he comes the strange bit it mentions, that his wife had trouble with getting the children out of Calvin’s clutches. does that mean his chldren with Mary or children he’s fathered with her, or possibly and very likely both. His younger son by Mary had died by 1546 or had he? and we certainly don’t know little Anne’s fate but I think we might be able to reasonably guess that there is a slight chance she may well have lived to adulthood. She may well have married someone abroad too, which is why we can’t find any record of her.
Either way whatever happened William’s widow did manage to rescue the children and finally get back to England, however after that I’m afraid I have found nothing.
Semper Fidelis, quod sum quod
2:05 pm
October 1, 2012
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Here are a couple of sites concerning William and Mary Stafford (which you may have already visited).
Going back to an earlier time with Mary and William Carey; since I’m fairly sure Granny Mary was a direct ancestor, her affair with LA (your nickname for him) bothers me in the fact that Wm Carey was aware of it and ‘permitted’ it. Did he put his ‘advancment’ ahead of his ‘love for Mary’, or did he simply have no love for her?
And,….was there, or could there have been, an actual knowledge/understanding between the two ‘men’ (not gentlemen), that LA could do what he was ‘doing’ with Mary and Wm permitted it, or turned a blind eye, so he could receive the gifts and stay in the good graces of H8? It’s hard to imagine a husband so calose as to permit such a relationship. And another thought, was Mary aware that her husband ‘knew’ of the affair with H8?
http://garethrussellcidevant.b…..oleyn.html
2:31 pm
January 3, 2012
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I don’t think William had a lot of choice when it came to LA, and Mary’s affair. It was something that he simply had to accept. To him to forbid Mary to have a diddle with LA would have caused problems. The Duke of Buckingham found that out. If LA was trying to get better aquainted with his sister, Buckingham certainly wasn’t happy about it and her husband was even more offended. He threatened to put her in a convent if memory serves, because of her light behaviour around the LA. It makes me laugh the way things were back then. If a woman was desired by the the King or whoever it was and had a diddle with them, they were called a wh*re, but if they basically told him to “Get Stuffed” they were shamed and their family would suffer too. It’s a kind of “damned if you do and a damned if you don’t” situation really.
Semper Fidelis, quod sum quod
10:48 pm
November 18, 2010
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Willaim Carey was a distant cousin of Henry’s, through Margaret Beaufort. He had spent several years as an esquire of the body as well as being a member of the Privy chamber. So he was already well though of by the king.
Whether the grants given to William were gained off his wife’s back or whether Henry would have given them to them any way is a matter of conjecture.
It's always bunnies.
