11:45 pm
June 19, 2009
Anne Boleyn’s Irish ancestory and connections
Living in ireland has always given me an interest in the history of my country and how intertwined our history is with the English Crown over many centuries. Our little green island is dotted with castles holding within their walls so much history not often talked about and often overlooked. One of these castles, “Kilkenny Castle” situated in the County of Kilkenny, about an hours drive from Dublin, our capital city. On a recent visit there, I got to look a little further into the Boleyn family connections with the Butler family, the Earls of Ormond and the family home, Kilkenny Castle.
Most place names in Ireland were Anglosised as our Celtic language, “Gaelige” made it very difficult for the English to pronounce place names. Kilkenny in our Irish language is “Cill Chainnigh”. The literal translation of this is “The church of Saint Canice”
http://www.kilkennycastle.ie/en/
Theobald le Botiller FitzWalter who first came to Ireland with Henry II and Theobald was brother to Hubert Walter, Archbishop of Canterbury. The ancestors of the Butlers (or Theobald FitzWalter) came from Normandy to England with William the Conqueror and he had the office of Chief Butler of Ireland conferred on him, the duty attached to which was to attend at the coronation of the Kings of England and present them with the first cup of wine.
Theobald was Sheriff of Lancaster for a while prior to coming to Ireland first with King Henry II and again later with King John.
As one looks down the generations of Butlers, Lord Chamberlain to Catherine of Aragon was Thomas Butler the 7th earl of Ormond. He had a daughter Margret, who married William Boleyn, who had a son Thomas Boleyn, Anne’s father. A little known fact is that Anne was to marry her cousin on her return from France in 1522. He was James Butler, the 9th Earl of Ormond. It is believed that it was the reason for Anne’s return from France (according to the curators of Kilkenny castle) and the breakdown of the proposed marriage was due to the size of the dowry. I have also read that Cardinal Wolsey was in disagreement with the union and that prior to getting to know Anne, Henry gave his blessing. Hans Holbein the Younger did a portrait of James and it is part of the Royal Collection at Windsor Castle. James would have spent most of his time in the court of Henry VIII, he was rich and very powerful and must have come close to Anne often in the confines of court.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J….._of_Ormond
If your name is Butler, it is most likely you are related. There is a “Butler society” where you can get assistance with your family tree.
I have put the pictures of Kilkenny castle on my Facebook
If it was not this, then it would be something else?
3:32 pm
July 9, 2009
Hi Paudie,
What an interesting post – you know your stuff! Thanks so much for posting it, I will definitely look at those links and your Kilkenny Castle photos.
I've just edited your post, just formatting, because on my computer all of the sentences were overlapping – very weird!
Anyway, thanks for all that info.
Debunking the myths about Anne Boleyn
Hi Melissa,
The whole island of Ireland are related to each other!
Just find an Irish relation and I will be your cousin!!!
If you know any Butlers, they are most likely related.
There is a \”Butler Society\” and i picked up some info on it,
It is just an e-mail address and I don't know if I should post it?
I will pass it on to Claire and if anyone needs it then, Claire can pass it on.
(If thats ok, Claire?)
So Happy to see how well you are getting on Melissa, I keep a keen eye on your facebook.
If it was not this, then it would be something else?
6:05 pm
July 9, 2009
I look at your facebook a lot too! Love the pictures of Kilkenny Castle. So majestic! Here in the States all of our \”historical\” places are only 100-200 years old (not strictly true, i.e. St. Augustine Florida, but in general) so I'm always jealous that Europeans have this great cultural heritage so easily accessible. I don't think I have any Butlers in my family-we were the Bolands and Mulcaheys. Boland is close enough to Boleyn for me!- though I don't think the Boleyns were Irish.
btw Paudie I'm going through your facebook pictures and commenting on them now.
Ainsi sera, groigne qui groigne.
6:40 pm
June 20, 2009
Hi LadytoanneBoleyn,
I try to visit heritage places as often as I can, I grew up in an old Victorian house and have a keen interest, maybe as a result of knowing something of the conditions the occupants of old houses lived in.
for all the living space, the cost was freezing one's ass off in the winter!
There is an old church across the street from where I grew up and I would get the church bells ringing in my ear every morning, Quasimodo-esque!
since then I am immune to alarm clocks and have to create an earthquake to wake in the mornings.
If it was not this, then it would be something else?
9:56 pm
July 9, 2009
For those of you who have a Butler in your family, The Butler Society website is http://www.butler-soc.org/ and the email is melosina@hotmail.com
Thanks Paudie for all your hard work researching that.
Debunking the myths about Anne Boleyn