Comments on: Catherine Parr

By: Claire

Claire — Thu, 16 Jun 2011 20:02:04 +0000

I never said anything about him dying before Maud so I’m not sure what you mean. When this page was written, the only bio of Catherine Parr available was the Susan James one, I would now recommend people read Linda Porter and Catherine Parr too. “If you are going to put Susan James as a book to read perhaps you should put up what she says or not advertise her book at all, which is by April of 1533″ – I have changed it to say what I believe which is winter/spring 1532/1533 but I have to say that your comment came across as rather aggressive. I appreciate that you have strong views about Catherine but I think it’s always good to be polite and friendly.

By: Lady Meg

Lady Meg — Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:44:13 +0000

Porter and James have c. 1533. Maud’s will was dated 1529 — she died in 1531 after she had visited her daughter and son-in-law in Gainsborough. So obviously he was not dead yet. He was also mentioned in court documents — ie House of Commons in 1532. Even Richardson’s Plantagenet Ancestry and Magna Carta says b. April 1533. If you are going to put Susan James as a book to read perhaps you should put up what she says or not advertise her book at all, which is by April of 1533.

By: Claire

Claire — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 10:12:41 +0000

The date of his death is actually not known with most historians believing that he died Winter/Spring 1532/1533, by April 1533.

By: Lady Meg

Lady Meg — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 09:17:41 +0000

“Her first marriage to Edward Borough, son of Sir Thomas Borough and grandson of Edward, 2nd Baron Burgh, took place when she was 17 but was short-lived because he died in 1532.”

Spring of 1533 was the date.

By: Claire

Claire — Wed, 11 May 2011 07:10:38 +0000

Ha, just realised that the elder Thomas Burgh also had a father called Thomas so yes my post could be taken as completely inaccurate!!

By: Claire

Claire — Wed, 11 May 2011 07:05:08 +0000

Sorry, I didn’t mean to out the 2nd Borough/Burgh but I think it is clear that I’m talking about Edward’s grandson as I say that he was the son of Sir Thomas Burgh – my mistake, not getting his title right, I’ll change that! Yes, the older Edward died in 1528 and was considered to be a lunatic but I have actually never read of him being linked to Catherine Parr in that way, all of the books I have read state that she was married to the younger Edward, son of Thomas. Catherine’s husband was dead by Spring 1533 so died either late 1532 or early 1533, a rather shortlived marriage.
Yes, I have Linda Porter, Susan James and Elizabeth Norton’s book plus Starkey, Weir, Loades etc. but I must say that my favourite on Catherine is Linda Lorter’s. What do you think.

By: Lady Meg

Lady Meg — Wed, 11 May 2011 01:51:58 +0000

Hey, I just wanted to let you know about the fact that Catherine did not marry the 2nd Baron Borough. Wikipidia had to re-do all the pages. If you read Susan James’, Linda Porter, Starkey, and Weir’s depiction of Catherine — it is the consensus of all of them that she married his grandson, Sir Edward Burgh, heir of Sir Thomas Burgh, son of the “2nd Baron” who was never called to Parliament as such because he was found crazy.

“It had been thought that the 2nd Baron married Catherine Parr, who went on to become the sixth wife of Henry VIII, in 1529, when she was age seventeen, but the 2nd Baron died in August of 1528.[1][4][7] It is now generally accepted through recent research of documents and the will of Catherine Parr’s mother by biographers Susan James, Linda Porter, David Starkey, and Alison Weir that she married the 2nd Baron’s grandson, who shared his first name. Sir Edward Burgh was the eldest son of the 2nd Baron’s eldest son, Sir Thomas Burgh, who would become the 1st Baron by a new creation in 1529.[1] In her will, dated May 1529, Maud Parr, mentioned Sir Thomas, father of Edward, saying ‘I am indebted to Sir Thomas Borough, knight, for the marriage of my daughter’. At the time of his son’s marriage, Thomas, was thirty-five which would have made Edward around Catherine’s age.[4][7] Edward was in his twenties and may have been in poor health. Sir Edward Burgh died in the spring of 1533, never fulfilling the title of Lord Burgh.[7][8]
[1] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke’s Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke’s Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 1, page 587.
[4] Susan E. James. Catherine Parr: Henry VIII’s Last Love. Stroud, Gloucestershire: The History Press. 2009. pg 53-55.
[7] Linda Porter. Katherine, the Queen. Macmillan. 2010.

By: Claire

Claire — Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:09:43 +0000

Hi Lady Meg,
Linda Porter says early on the 5th September and Susan James says “between two and three of the clock in the morning” on the 5th.

By: Lady Meg

Lady Meg — Thu, 13 Jan 2011 05:05:15 +0000

NICE! She was so much more than a nurse to Henry and a lot of people do not realize that. Interesting that her death date varies. Alison Weir, Britain’s Royal Family, page 154, says 7 Sep 1584. Charles Mosley, editor, Burke’s Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke’s Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 1, page 587 says Sep 5th. What does Porter, James, and others have to say?